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didi

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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 01:36:45 pm »

^If you're in the province iba yung minimum wage ninyo for the HH diba?
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 02:04:06 pm »

Etong kasambahay bill na to parang para lang sa mayayaman. Hindi napapanahon sa dame ng masasamang loob at masamang ugali ng mga pumapasok ng kasambahay parang tayong mga middle class citizens. I not agaisnt the SSS, philhealth things pero yung ibang provisions parang kalokohan. Just my 2 cents.  :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 02:58:44 pm »

in my pov, tingin ko sa papers lang ito, i doubt kung mapatupad and besides masyadong pabor sa mga kasambahay yung law, dapat meron din silang gawing bill para naman sa employer...although some kasambahay naman are really doing a great job being of help sa atin, pero hindi lahat and sobrang mahrap na talaga maghanap ng makakasama sa bahay na mapagkakatiwalaan...i just think na this bill needs to be revised kasi masyadong pabor sa kasambahay eh :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 03:22:37 pm »

yes i think papers lang naman talaga yan depende kung susundin talaga especially kung existing na yung kasambahay nyo, i think the only problem with this is hindi mo alam kung sinong kasambahay yung magrereklamo and hindi when time comes.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 03:25:29 pm »

Korak sisters! Staka bibihira lang naman sa mga pinoy ang abusado at nangmamaltrato sa mga helpers para mag gawa pa ng ganitong bill. Lalo na kung mabait naman ang helper nagiging part pa nga ng family.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 04:54:27 pm »

^I agree na kalokohan yung iba.
Yung SSS PHIC and Pagibig - ok lang yun eh..

Yung once a week leave is prone to abuse e.. (IMO) ah.. kasi these kasambahay can not come back eh!!
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 12:07:01 am »

Yes sis Didi.. Sa 2k minimum kame since sa City of San Fernando Pampanga kami nakatira. Hehe!
Nabasa ko na yung signed RA 10361. Nakakaloka nga. Actually parang lugi nga ako if bibigyan ko pa ng higher rate kasi most of the time naka-rest din sya. Wala lang talaga akong makakasama sa bahay. Hehe!

Tsaka pano if umalis yung HH ng walang paalam? Wala ba syang penalty dun? Im waiting yung ire-release na sample contract ng DOLE. Sana mas malinaw and fair sya.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 03:51:53 pm »

"abused amo" here.

i agree with most moms here.  talagang isang malaking kalokohan yang batas na yan.  that's coming from an abused amo like me. 

bawal silang singilin sa mga nasira nila, eh pano kung every week may nababasag na plato, baso, figurine, etc.  oo nga't di nila planong manira pero di rin kasi sila nagiingat.

kailangan 8 hr work sched lang sila.  eh pano kung within that 8 hours 2 hours wala naman sya ginagawa (dahil naghihintay lang sya sa school ng anak ko)?!

every week dapat may day-off eh everytime nagpapaalam mag day off si ate, kinabukasan na ang balik. ni ha ni ho walang pasabi.  kaming mag-asawa ang parang mga magulang na hintay nang hintay sa paguwi ng anak.


hay.  san kaya nakakuha ng maid ang mga may-akda ng batas na ito?  swerte naman nila at mukhang di nila nararanasan ang mga nararanasan nating mga karaniwang amo kaya di nila alam na isang malaking kabuktutan ang ginawa nilang batas.
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2013, 08:39:05 pm »

I think the law was made to attract voters...

I have to agree with some points of the law like the benefits na sss, phic and pag-ibig.

but may ibang issues din na parang. ANO?!
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2013, 11:03:37 am »

Wala naman kasi sanang problema magbigay ng dagdag na benefits sa mga kasambahay natin.  In fact, most of us employers give even more than what is stipulated in the law.  Like me, I give toiletries and vitamins monthly.  Tapos may load allowance pa (dahil ayokong sasagutin ako na kaya di nagre-reply ay dahil walang load).  When she gets sick, I shoulder the medicines she needs (para din naman kase gumaling sya agad so she can work efficiently and para di na makahawa ng ibang tao sa house especially my kids).  Pag Christmas, aside from 13th month pay, may Christmas gift na, may Christmas bonus pa.  When my family goes out of town, kasama sya.  San man kami mag check-in kasama sya (at may sariling kama sya, di lang basta kutson) .  If we eat out, she eats in the same restaurant (hindi yung kami sa restaurant, sya sa McDo o Jollibee lang).  Even sa house, kung ano ulam namin, yun din ulam niya.  Kung kakain kami ng icecream o cake o chocolates, pati sya binibigyan.

Hindi mabigat sa ating mga employers magbigay ng extra sa kanila kung sana man lang, sana man lang may makita tayong malasakit from them.  Treating them like family would come naturally if they also treated us like their family.  I think the reason why many employers do not agree to this law is because of the kind of maids we have.

Pano kung yung maid ko ang dami nang nasirang gamit, not because sinasadya niya but because she did not care enough to take care of it, di natin pwede pabayaran sa kanila?  In my case, mga baso, bowls at blender pitcher nabasag niya.  Kung once o twice, you can brush it of as “aksidente”  pero kung halos every week, “naghahanap ng aksidente”.  Sorry lang ba kapalit nun?  Nung nabasag niya yung blender ko, I made her pay half of the cost of the pitcher (this was before the law came into effect).  From then on, wala nang nababasag.

Pano kung dadatnan mong nanunood lang ng TV pero di pa pala nakakalinis, di pa natitiklop ang mga sampay at di pa nakakasaing, dapat 8 hours pa rin lang ang work period niya?

Pano kung nagkakasakit na pamilya ko dahil hindi niya hinuhugasan mabuti yung mga plates at utensils at naghalo na ang sabon at nakadikit na (panis na) food?  Pano kung lagi na lang napapanis yung kanin (na halos pang 2 tao pa ang dami) dahil di nahugasan mabuti ang rice cooker?  Pano kung walang habas sa pag gamit ng sabon, mantika, tubig at kuryente?  Pano kung basta na lang tinatapon ang mga tirang pagkain na di man lang nagpapaalam sayo?  Pano kung sa kabila ng pagiging generous mo sa kanya, kumukupit pa din sya ng chocolate ng anak mo, shampoo mo, pati sukli sa palengke?  Pano kung sadyang matigas ang ulo niya na kahit ilang beses mo nang sinabi, in-explain, dinemonstrate kung paano gawin ang mga gawain sa bahay di pa rin sinusunod (not because di niya naintindihan, but because matigas lang talga ulo  niya)?  Di sila pwede paalisin?

One sided itong batas na ito.  Halatang di pinag-isipan at sadyang pampapogi lang sa eleksyon…

Sorry high-blood ako.  Hindi kasi ako pabaya sa obligasyon ko, kaya I expect the same level of commitment to their obligations to me.  Nate-take advantage tayong employers dahil kailangan natin ng maid and mahirap maghanap; so we tend to settle kahit madaming palpak.  But with this law, dehado ang employers.
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2013, 05:18:02 pm »

how much po ba yung SSS, PHIL at pag ibig monthly ng mga kasambahay?
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2013, 05:46:06 am »

^it was computed na rounding off --- about P500/monthly.
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2013, 06:19:06 am »

thank you sis didi, for posting the link on the real law itself.

so here goes:

What are the obligations that are imposed on us, the EMPLOYER:
1.  Standard Treatment of HH - no physical, harrassing, abusive, or degrading treatment (ang verbal and minsan emotional re-instruction of yaya ba, eh --- degrading treatment na?)  There is a catchphrase here na, "any act  tending" to degrade, meaning 'almost pa-degrade' but not quite.

Defense/solution:  Try to be as courteous as one in the corporate world, mahirap lalo na kapag nakasira and nakasakit ng ibang tao sa house nyo.

2. Board, Lodging and Medical Attendance -- We are required to give them humane sleeping quarters, 3 free meals a day, and medical attendance.  If they get sick during the course of their employment with us, they are granted rest periods to heal, without loss of benefits. 

Defense/solution:  It is best then, as a defense, to require or pay for an updated MEDICAL CERTIFICATE, before we employ our yayas.

3.  Privacy and Access to Outside Communication -- We should respect yaya's things at all times. It means that as employers, we cannot snoop on their things (to check if there where our missing valuables are).  They are allowed to receive outside communication only on free time, but cannot be prevented to receive outside communication on emergency situation. 


Defense/solution: It means, yaya's cellphone cannot be prevented away from her body, or we could always do what the callcenter companies do, surrender the phone to the someone, but which yaya should have access during free time --- eh pano kung sya lang natitira sa house, kanino mo iiwan yung phone ni yaya?

---- yung continuation, i'll post later, i have to go..late for work. Haha. 8)
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2013, 01:27:28 pm »

Hindi mabigat sa ating mga employers magbigay ng extra sa kanila kung sana man lang, sana man lang may makita tayong malasakit from them.  Treating them like family would come naturally if they also treated us like their family.  I think the reason why many employers do not agree to this law is because of the kind of maids we have.

i strongly agree with your statement here sis... we can even give more than what is expected basta pakita lang din sana ng mga helpers na they are deserving...
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2013, 01:01:39 pm »

ang swerte naman ng amo na makakakuha ng kasambahay (magaling,maayos at masinop, etc) sa rate na ncr-2500, 1st class municipality-2000.00 and others-1500.00.  lahat na nakuha kong kasambahay ay ranging from 3k+ + toiletries.  then now additiional contirbution pa na (sss, philhealth at pag-ibig). hindi naman pwedeng hingin sa pinagtratrabahuan na dagdagan ang sahod dahil hindi na sapat at kulang pa?  ok lang sana kung meron dahil ibibigay, pano kung wala?
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