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[KClaire]

so, daddy Jojo, ok pala talaga ang withdrawal? ganyan din kasi kami ni hubby. and nagrerely din minsan ako dito sa fertility calendar ng SP ..

[J0]

@KClaire

Noon pa maraming successful sa withdrawal.  Wala lang talagang explanation before. Ang laging usapan ay yung pre-ejaculatory fluid, na sinasabing meron daw sperm.

Ngayon, may proof na.  Oo, merong sperm, pero madalas ay di buhay...kaya di mabubuntis.

Kailangan lang siguro malinaw at sincere ang mag-asawa towatds each other tungkol sa kung nakapag-withdraw nga ba talaga ng full.  Baka kasi may mga husband na di kabisado ang body function o control nila at sabihin na "Oo, na-withdraw ko lahat" pero baka di totoo at ayaw lang ng mahabang usapan (kung di pala niya na-control).

Okay na alternative ang withdrawal kung fertile days.  Pero sana, kung hindi naman fertle eh laging gawing full experience ng couple ang sex...this means na pati ang wife dapat hanggang orgasm din.

[KClaire]

thanks Daddy Jojo. 


agree ako dito ►

Okay na alternative ang withdrawal kung fertile days.  Pero sana, kung hindi naman fertle eh laging gawing full experience ng couple ang sex...this means na pati ang wife dapat hanggang orgasm din.

[pinoytamil]

dati super hate ko ang withdrawal na to feeling ko ang bastos at inis na inis din ako sa method na to kasi dati nabibitin ako sa ganitong method  pero now i got used to it tapos 2yrs old na baby ko hindi pa din sya nasusundan so palagay ko effectve ang ganitong method if done properly.

[eloytski]

After I gave birth, withdrawal ang method namin ni hubby. Pero when I had my check up with the OB, hindi niya to in-advise kasi it's not 100% effective dahil nga sa pre-ejaculation na may taglay na ring sperm cells. So I got the injectables. 

[Mommy Jazz]

Walang sperm ang pre-ejaculate fluid  Dahil sa bagong development na ito, posible na hindi mabubuntis kung nag-withdrawal.

"The more significant finding, however, was that most pre ejaculate samples did not contain any sperm and those that did had only small clumps of a very small amount of sperm which seemed to be immobile. A larger study is needed to verify these results. If these results are confirmed, they may dispel the myth that pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm. "

Since the study says "most p-e samples..." I guess my husband belongs to "least" group of those having "mobile" ones. Diyan kasi nabuo ang panganay namin. I hope when they get to make a larger study na so it can finally dispel the myth. But as of now, I don't think we can be confident to say na wala ngang active sperm ang p-e fluid.

[J0]

Hi Mommyjazz

Thank you for your comment.  It made me look for current studies on Withdrawal. Here's what I've been reading so far:

Some participants believed that withdrawal is not reliable because pre-ejaculate fluid contains viable sperm—a belief that has not been supported by research.²⁴

24. Zukerman Z, Weiss DB and Orvieto R, Does preejaculatory penile secretion originating from Cowper’s gland contain sperm? Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics, 2003, 20(4):157–159.

Withdrawal Attitudes and Experiences: A Qualitative Perspective Among Young Urban Adults.  Whittaker, Paul G.; Merkh, Rebecca D.; Henry-Moss, Dare; Hock-Long, Linda. Perspectives on Sexual & Reproductive Health. Jun2010, Vol. 42 Issue 2, p102-109.

"pre-ejaculate fluid contains viable sperm—a belief that has not been supported by research" is consistent with the statement about "the myth that pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm."

Those who are reading this might ask, "How's Withdrawal Method related to this topic of Calendar Method?"

Well, when you have identified the non-safe or fertile days in your fertility cycle...you have another option, other than not having sex (Abstention)...and this is Withdrawal Method.

I personally believe that a wife should equally be able to express her passion and sexual desire towards the one she loves...in the same way that her husband is able to fully achieve this expression.  Her fertile days are her most sensual days...the best time for her to achieve full sexual experience.

In short:
Safe Days -> Full sexual expression for both husband and wife (no need for Withdrawal, both can reach orgasm)
Non-safe/fertile Days -> Withdrawal Method for Husband, but full sexual experience for the wife (ex. Multiple Orgasms)

Aside from procreation, our bodies are created to become one with our spouse.  Sexual intercourse is a complete expression of self-giving love.

[J0]

Kahit naka Depo-provera injectible, nabubuntis pa rin. Dahil ang Depo-Provera ay isang uri ng Progestogen...pinaninipis nito ang matris...naalaglag ang baby (Abortifacient, Chemical Abortion).  Ito ang reason kaya nakakaramdam ng pregnancy sympoms at nagkakaroon ng irregular bleeding.

Kung mabuhay ang baby, magkakaroon ng foetal abnormalities.

Lastly, Progestogen-only contraceptives are listed as Group 2A in the list of CANCER-causing agents.  Ka-group ito ng Potassium Bromate na pinagbawal nang ihalo sa pandesal.

Heto ang product information ng Depo-Provera,from its manufacturer, Pfizer:
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=522

Highights from Pfizer.com: WARNING: LOSS OF BONE MINERAL DENSITY. Cancer Risks: Breast Cancer. Cervical Cancer. Other Cancers. Ectopic Pregnancy. jaundice or acute or chronic disturbances of liver function. Convulsions. Depression. Bleeding Irregularities. Weight Gain. fertility is likely to be delayed. ADVERSE REACTIONS: Headache, Abdominal pain/discomfort, Increased weight> 10lbs at 24 months, Nervousness, Dizziness, Libido decreased. Menstrual irregularities: (bleeding (57.3% at 12 months, 32.1% at 24 months), amenorrhea

Contains medroxyprogesterone; Belongs to the class of progestogens. Pregnancy Category (US FDA). Category X: Studies in animals or human beings have demonstrated foetal abnormalities or there is evidence of foetal risk based on human experience or both, and the risk of the use of the drug in pregnant women clearly outweighs any possible benefit. The drug is contraindicated in women who are or may become pregnant.

Source:http://www.mims.com/Philippines/drug/info/Depo-Provera/?q=Depo-Provera

Pregnancies diagnosed during Depo-Provera use. By: Borgatta, Lynn; Murthy, Amitasrigowri; Chuang, Cynthia; Beardsley, Leah; Burnhill, Michael S. Contraception. Sep2002, Vol. 66 Issue 3, p169. 4p.

Subjects: CONTRACEPTION -- Failures; MEDROXYPROGESTERONE

2009 Jan;35(1):59-60.
Contraceptive failure of Depo-Provera: long-acting reversible contraceptive (LARC) methods do fail too.
Farmer L, Patel E.
Source: United Bristol Healthcare Trust (UBHT), Bristol Sexual Health Centre, Central Health Clinic, Bristol, UK. lucinda.farmer@ubht.nhs.uk

Injectables CONs:

1.) Karamihan ay tumataba dahil sa pagbabago ng appetite at metabolism. 
2.) Sa ibang babae, dumadami ang pimples. Sa iba naman paisa isa lang ang labas, pero malalaki! 
3.) Mood swings.
4.) You may be at a higher risk of bone loss.
5.) It can cause irregular bleeding to other women.
6.) Loss of libido
7.) preggy symptoms.

Agents Classified by the IARC Monographs, Volumes 1–106
source: http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/index.php

Agents Classified by the IARC Monographs, Volumes 1–106, pages 14 and 26
source: http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsAlphaOrder.pdf



Paki-update na lang po natin ang ating OB regarding the latest research.

Walang sperm ang pre-ejaculate fluid  Dahil sa bagong development na ito, posible na hindi mabubuntis kung nag-withdrawal.

"The more significant finding, however, was that most pre ejaculate samples did not contain any sperm and those that did had only small clumps of a very small amount of sperm which seemed to be immobile. A larger study is needed to verify these results. If these results are confirmed, they may dispel the myth that pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm. "

Some participants believed that withdrawal is not reliable because pre-ejaculate fluid contains viable sperm—a belief that has not been supported by research.²⁴

24. Zukerman Z, Weiss DB and Orvieto R, Does preejaculatory penile secretion originating from Cowper’s gland contain sperm? Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics, 2003, 20(4):157–159.

Withdrawal Attitudes and Experiences: A Qualitative Perspective Among Young Urban Adults.  Whittaker, Paul G.; Merkh, Rebecca D.; Henry-Moss, Dare; Hock-Long, Linda. Perspectives on Sexual & Reproductive Health. Jun2010, Vol. 42 Issue 2, p102-109.

"pre-ejaculate fluid contains viable sperm—a belief that has not been supported by research" is consistent with the statement about "the myth that pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm."

[BlueAby]

Kami at first nagpa inject ako. Kaso parang dahil yata dun kaya nagka-PCOS ako. After that sabi ng OB ko magpills daw ako para umayos ulit ang cycle ko. Nag-regular na ako ngayon. After that naghingi ako ng advice for family planning since CS ako both sa anak ko. And she recommend pills. Kaso di talaga ako mahilig uminom ng gamot kahit maliit pa yan. Di rin ako familiar sa Calendar Method. What we do na lang is nagwiwithdrawal si hubby. Pero may times na nagbibilang din ako like kunwari kahapon ang last day ko... may 3days safe period ako, ginawa ko na lang 3days dati kasi akala ko 1wk before and after ng period ang safe, kaso nabuo yung bunso ko nung nag-do kami nung ika 7th day. Explanation ng kakilala ko nabubuhay daw kasi ang sperm sa loob ng girls for 3days.

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[Mommy Jazz]

I found this from the website  of American Academy of Family Physicians posted November 15, 2012. Other than these, I googled other sites with an advance setting to narrow my update on "past moth" para siguradong latest ang findings. Other sites say it's not reliable. The AAFP says:
withdrawal has an unintended pregnancy rate of 4 percent with perfect use, but a 22 percent rate with typical use.[/size]5 Although this is far lower than the pregnancy rate when no contraceptive method is used (85 percent), it is hard to argue that withdrawal is effective in comparison with most non-NFP options. [/font]
[/size]http://www.aafp.org/afp/2012/1115/od2.html

I guess, debatable talaga this topic. Kahit researches gives us different, even conflicting results.

[licious10]

4years kami active ni boyfie pero d naman ako nabuntis using withdrawal lang...eh nalasing kami aun haha

[Mommy ni Gab]

husband and I are still used to this kind of method.. for 7years kami mag boyfriend and up to now na husband ko na siya.. kaso nakakatakot din baka masundan agad si baby.. ask kolang sana mga mommies, anyone here can advice me regarding the copper T IUD?? thanks!!!

[meeckah]

Mga mommies question, i had my last mens on May 8 and my hubby and i had an intercourse last may 11, (once lang and withdrawal pa) as in quick lang tlaga, is there a higher chane of getting pregnant?

[toughmom moderator]

Same topic merged.